Agenda and minutes

Venue: COUNCIL HOUSE, PLYMOUTH (next to the Civic Centre)

Contact: Nicola Kirby, Senior Democratic Support Officer (Cabinet)  Email: nicola.kirby@plymouth.gov.uk

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96.

MINUTES pdf icon PDF 135 KB

To approve and sign as a correct record the minutes of the meeting held on 5 December 2011.  

Minutes:

Agreed that the minutes of the meeting held on 5 December 2011 are confirmed as a correct record.

 

97.

DECLARATIONS OF INTEREST

Councillors will be asked to make declarations of interest in respect of items on this agenda.

Minutes:

The following declarations of interest were made in accordance with the code of conduct from councillors in relation to items under consideration at this meeting –

 

Name

Item

Interest

Reason

Councillor Mrs Beer

Minute 109 – Motion on Notice: Appointment of Chief Constable

Personal and prejudicial

Employed by Devon and Cornwall Police

Councillor Berrow

 

Minute 108 – Motion on Notice: Assistance for those affected by Welfare Benefit and Tax Credit Reforms

Personal

Member of Plymouth Citizens Advice Bureau

Councillor Mrs Pengelly

Minute 109 - Motion on Notice: Appointment of Chief Constable

Personal

Member of the Devon and Cornwall Police Authority

 

Councillor Stevens

Minute 109 - Motion on Notice: Appointment of Chief Constable

Personal and prejudicial

Employed by Devon and Cornwall Police

 

Councillor Thompson

Minute 108 - Motion on Notice: Assistance for those affected by Welfare Benefit and Tax Credit Reforms

Personal

Member of Plymouth Citizens Advice Bureau

 

98.

APPOINTMENTS TO COMMITTEES, OUTSIDE BODIES ETC pdf icon PDF 59 KB

The Director of Corporate Services will submit a schedule of vacancies on committees, outside bodies etc and of changes to committees that have been made.  

 

Minutes:

(1)        Proportionality

 

Following the resignation of Councillor Berrow from the Conservative Group and his membership of the United Kingdom Independence Party, it was proposed that no changes were made to the committee or outside body membership.

 

The Assistant Director for Democracy and Governance gave advice that –

 

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there was no obligation to undertake a review of proportionality in these circumstances;

 

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the Council could choose to take a different course of action provided that no-one voted against the proposal; and

 

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following a request, a review had been undertaken.

 

Following a vote, the proposal for no changes to be made to the committee or outside body membership was carried but was not unanimous.

 

Agreed that a review of proportionality would not be carried out and no further action would be taken.

 

(2)

the following appointments are agreed -

 

 

 

 

 

Committee

Membership

Appointments

a.

Lord Mayor Selection Committee

Six councillors (three conservative and three labour members)

 

CouncillorsMrs Aspinall, Browne, Churchill, Evans, Mrs Pengelly and Vincent

 

b.

ElizeHele and John Lanyon Foundations

Current members: Councillors Casey, Lowry and Dr Mahony

 

Lorraine Parker to replace Councillor Casey

c.

Municipal Charities of Plymouth

Current members: Councillor Casey, Fred Brimacombe, Michael Fox and Betty Gray

CouncillorPenberthy to replace Councillor Casey

 

 

 

 

 

(3)

the following nominations notified to the Assistant Director for Democracy and Governance are noted -

 

 

 

 

 

AppointmentsPanel

Membership

d.

23 January 2012 am

Councillors Ball, Bowyer, Evans, Fry, Lowry, Mrs Pengelly and Peter Smith.  (Substitute: Councillor Williams) 

 

e.

23 January 2012 pm

Councillors Bowyer, Evans, Fry, Lowry, Mrs Pengelly, Peter Smith and Wigens (Substitutes: Councillor Michael Leaves and Williams)

 

f.

26 January 2012

Councillors Bowyer, Evans, Fry, Mrs Pengelly, Peter Smith, Wildy and relevant Cabinet Member (Councillor Jordan / Monahan / Sam Leaves). (Substitute: Councillor Williams) 

 

 

(4)

the following change of membership notified to the Assistant Director for Democracy and Governance is noted -

 

 

 

 

Committee

Membership

 

Planning Committee

Councillor Stark to replace Councillor Churchill

 

99.

ANNOUNCEMENTS

(a)        To receive announcements from the Lord Mayor, Chief Executive, Director for Corporate Services or Assistant Director for Democracy and Governance;

 

(b)        To receive announcements from the Leader, Cabinet Members or Committee Chairs.

 

Minutes:

Bronwen Lacey, Director of Services for Children and Young People

 

The Lord Mayor referred to Bronwen Lacey, Director of Services for Children and Young People, who would be leaving the Council at the end of February after 14 years of service and, on behalf of the Council, wished her well in the future and presented her with a bouquet.

 

 

General who used to attend Southway School

 

Councillor Browne expressed concern that his request for an announcement relating to a General who used to attend Southway School, had not been included on the agenda today. 

 

Agreed that the announcement is made at the next meeting of the City Council.

 

 

100.

QUESTIONS BY THE PUBLIC

To receive questions from and provide answers to the public in relation to matters which, in the opinion of the Lord Mayor, are about something the Council is responsible for or something that directly affects people in the city, in accordance with Part B, paragraph 11 of the Constitution.

 

Questions, of no longer than 50 words, can be submitted to the Democratic Support Unit, Corporate Services Department, Plymouth City Council, Civic Centre, Plymouth, PL1 2AA, or email to democraticsupport@plymouth.gov.uk. Any questions must be received at least five complete working days before the meeting.

Minutes:

Two questions had been received from members of the public in relation to matters which, in the opinion of the Lord Mayor, were relevant to the business of the meeting, in accordance with paragraph 10 of the Constitution.

 

Question No

 

Question By

Relevant Cabinet Member

 

Subject

8 (11/12)

Mr B Kerr

CouncillorMrs Pengelly, Leader

 

Prayers

Is the council going to continue to have prayers during scheduled times for council meetings? This is asked as many people would see this as an exclusionary practice against people of different faiths and no faith, and paints the city as backward in a modern world

 

Response:

There is no constitutional requirement for the council to have prayers prior to the commencement of the formal council meeting, but it is the practice of Lord Mayors to have their chaplain in attendance to say them. There is no reason why a future Lord Mayor might choose not to have prayers at the meeting, although I would expect that such a decision would be considered by the council as a whole.

 

Since the prayers are not part of the formal meeting then neither councillors nor the public need be present (and some already choose not to attend) consequently no one is excluded from the meeting.

                                                                                                 

 

 

Question No

 

Question By

Relevant Cabinet Member

 

Subject

9 (11/12)

Mr F Sharpe

Councillor Fry, Cabinet Member for Planning, Strategic Housing and Economic Development.

 

Sherford development

Please could residents of Elburton and Plymstock be given a presentation by Plymouth City Council before Sherford comes before the Council in February 2012 plus details of what South Hams Council has passed regarding Sherford.

 

Response:

 

Yes, planning officers will give a presentation to the next available meeting of the Elburton and District Residents Association prior to the Sherford planning application being reported back to Planning Committee on 8th March 2012.

                                                                                          

 

In the absence of the questioners, the questions and responses were circulated and written responses would be sent to Mr Kerr and Mr Sharpe.

MATTERS REFERRED FROM CABINET AND OTHER COMMITTEES

101.

Sex Establishment Licensing Policy pdf icon PDF 59 KB

Cabinet Member: Councillor Michael Leaves

 

The City Council will be asked to consider the Cabinet recommendations. 

Minute 104 (of the Cabinet meeting held on 17 January 2012) and the report of the Director of Place on the sex establishment licensing policy will be submitted.

 

Additional documents:

Minutes:

Councillor Michael Leaves (Cabinet Member for Community Services (Street Scene, Waste and Sustainability)) moved the Cabinet recommendations to the City Council on the Sex Establishment Licensing Policy (Cabinet minute 104 of the Cabinet meeting held on 17 January 2012 and the written report of the Director for People referred).   The proposal was seconded by Councillor Browne.

 

CouncillorPenberthy moved the following amendment which was seconded by Councillor McDonald –

 

To add a new Recommendation 5

 

To implement the outstanding recommendations of the Customer and Communities Overview and Scrutiny Panel on this matter.

 

Following an adjournment, the Assistant Director for Democracy and Governance advised that the amendment was not in order as it negated the original proposal. 

 

The Lord Mayor reminded councillors that personal remarks about officers were not acceptable.    

 

CouncillorPenberthy then moved a further amendment as follows -

 

On page 21 to delete paragraphs (1) and (2) and on page 22 to delete (3).

 

The recommendations to the City Council become (1) and section (b) below becomes a new (2) ‘to implement the outstanding recommendations of the Customer and Communities Overview and Scrutiny Panel.‘

 

The Assistant Director for Democracy and Governance advised that this amendment was also not in order as the City Council could not amend Cabinet decisions. 

 

Following a further adjournment, Councillor Penberthy moved an amendment as follows –

 

(4)

(a)

to adopt Schedule 3 of the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1982 as amended by s.27 Policing and Crime Act 2009, which shall come into force on the 5 March 2012; 

 

 

(b)

to adopt the Sex Establishments Licensing Policy contained in Appendix A of the written report subject to recommendation (5) below; 

 

 

(c)

to approve the scheme of delegation contained in Appendix B of the written report;

 

 

(d)

to approve the following fees and charges - 

 

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Application Fee £3900

 

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Variation Fee £ 800

 

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Annual Renewal £3200

 

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Transfer £750

 

(5)

 

To implement the outstanding recommendations of the Customer and Communities Overview and Scrutiny Panel on this matter, i.e.

 

 

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Hours of opening to included ‘Good Friday’ on a similar basis to Sundays

 

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That residents, chairs of school governors and religious establishments within a specific distance from the proposed sex establishment, as well as the relevant ward members, are notified of any application by individual letter

 

The amendment was seconded by Councillor McDonald.

 

The Assistant Director for Democracy and Governance drew councillors’ attention to the legal advice on pages 30 and 31 of the Cabinet report.

 

Councillor Thompson (Chair of the Customers and Communities Overview and Scrutiny Panel) indicated that the legal advice set out in Cabinet report had not been available at the meeting of the panel.

 

Following a debate, the amendment was put to the vote and the amendment was lost.

 

The main motion was debated and following a vote, it was agreed -

             

(1)

to adopt Schedule 3 of the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1982 as amended by s.27 Policing and Crime Act 2009, which shall come into force on the 5 March 2012;  ...  view the full minutes text for item 101.

102.

Tamar Bridge and Torpoint Ferry Joint Committee: Revenue Estimates and Capital Programme 2012/13 to 2015/16 pdf icon PDF 51 KB

Joint Chair: Councillor Martin Leaves

 

The City Council will be asked to consider the Tamar Bridge and Torpoint Ferry Joint Committee recommendations and the report of the Director of Place and Director of Corporate Services on those recommendations. 

 

Minute 22 (of the Tamar Bridge and Torpoint Ferry Joint Committee meeting held on 2 December 2011) and the report of Joint Treasurers on the revenue estimates and capital programme 2012/13 to 2015/16 will also be submitted.

 

Additional documents:

Minutes:

Councillor Martin Leaves (Joint Chair of the Tamar Bridge and Torpoint Ferry Joint Committee) proposed the recommendations from the Tamar Bridge and Torpoint Ferry Joint Committee: Revenue Estimates and Capital Programme 2012/13 – 2015/16 as follows (Tamar Bridge and Torpoint Ferry Joint Committee minute 22 of the meeting held on 2 December 2011 referred) –

 

(a)

that the proposed revenue budget for 2012/13 as set out in Appendix 1 to the officer report be approved;

 

(b)

that the proposed capital programme as set out in Appendix 2 to the officer report be approved;

 

(c) 

that the longer term revenue forecast to 2015/16 be noted.

 

The motion was seconded by Councillor Foster.

 

CouncillorWigens referred to advice contained in the written report of the Director for Place and Director for Corporate Services and moved the recommendations in the written report as an amendment.

The amendment was seconded by Councillor Nicholson.

Following a vote on the amendment, the amendment was carried.

 

The motion, as amended, was put to the vote and it was agreed that –

 

(1)

the ongoing work of the member/officer workshops on budget forecast issues are noted and that the preferred option is reported to Cabinet prior to any decision being made;

 

(2)

the revenue and capital budgets for 2012/13, proposed by the Tamar Bridge and Torpoint Ferry Joint Committee are approved by the Council; 

 

(3)

 

all schemes included in the capital programme beyond 2013 are submitted to Cabinet supported by robust business cases.

 

 

103.

ORDER OF BUSINESS

Minutes:

At the request of Councillor Wildy, the Lord Mayor, with the consent of the City Council, agreed to change the order of business to bring forward the motion on notice relating to changes to child benefit.

MOTION ON NOTICE

104.

Changes to Child Benefit pdf icon PDF 41 KB

To consider a motion proposed by Councillor Wildy and seconded by Councillor Davey.

Minutes:

CouncillorWildy moved the following motion on notice for approval –

 

‘CHANGES TO CHILD BENEFIT

 

Council notes the recent announcement by the Coalition Government regarding legislation on Child Benefit.

 

Council recognises that the proposed changes are likely to penalise some families in Plymouth and could affect the Growth Agenda.

 

Council therefore resolves to request the Leader to write to the Chancellor on behalf of Plymouth City Council, requesting him to reconsider the proposed legislation on Child Benefit.’

 

The motion was seconded by Councillor Davey.

 

During the debate, the issues raised included that –

 

  • the current proposals sought to limit child benefit to earners under £45,000;
  • the limit would not apply to joint earners, leaving them able to claim twice the amount;
  • child benefit was the only income of some women;
  • money would be taken out of the Plymouth economy;
  • those who did not need the benefit could choose to donate it to charity;
  • all children should be valued equally;
  • the proposals could put more children at risk.

 

The Leader indicated that she shared the concerns about the proposals and would be happy to write to the Chancellor.

 

Following a vote, the motion was agreed.    

105.

PAY POLICY STATEMENT pdf icon PDF 37 KB

The City Council will be asked to approve the pay policy statement.

 

The written report of the Chief Executive will be submitted together with the pay policy statement.

Additional documents:

Minutes:

The Assistant Director for Democracy and Governance presented the written report of the Chief Executive on the pay policy statement.

 

Councillor Bowyer moved the recommendation in the written report and the proposal was seconded by Councillor Sam Leaves.

 

During the debate, Councillor Evans sought an early discussion on the challenges of shared services and he was advised that if he had a query, to make contact with Councillor Bowyer who would try to resolve it.

 

Following a vote, the pay policy statement was agreed, as recommended in the written report.

 

106.

CONSTITUTION pdf icon PDF 31 KB

The Assistant Director for Democracy and Governance will submit a written report on a proposed amendment to the Constitution following a meeting of the Constitution Working Group.

Minutes:

The Assistant Director for Democracy and Governance presented his report on the constitution.

 

Councillor Bowyer moved and Councillor Lowry seconded the recommendation in the written report.    

 

Following a vote, it was agreed to revise the financial regulations to set an upper limit on revenue expenditure and virements at £100,000, as recommended in the written report.

 

FURTHER MOTIONS ON NOTICE

107.

Councillors Involvement in Section 106 Agreements pdf icon PDF 42 KB

To consider a motion proposed by Councillor Stevens and seconded by Councillor Tuffin.

 

Minutes:

Councillor Stevens moved the following motion on notice for approval –

 

COUNCILLORS INVOLVEMENT IN SECTION 106 AGREEMENTS

 

Plymouth City Council believes its Planning system must be seen to be acting in the interests of Plymouth, including agreed Planning Obligations and Gains.

 

Whilst recognising that each must comply with council planning documents, policies and guidance and Regulation 122 of the Community Infrastructure Levy Regulations 2010, contributions made under Section 106 of the Town and Country Planning Act must be seen to mitigate the effects of developments.

 

To this end, the allocation of any such contributions recommended as part of the Planning permissions will be subject to consultation with the relevant Ward Councillors at an early stage in the consideration of the application and before the decision is put before the Planning Committee or taken by an Officer under delegated authority.’

 

The motion was seconded by Councillor Tuffin.

 

The issues raised included –

 

  • the need for involvement by elected representatives in consultation on Section 106 monies;
  • the difficulties experienced in the process relating to West Hoe tennis courts;
  • the Localism Act which promoted public involvement. 

 

Councillor Fry moved an amendment so that the amended motion would read as follows –

 

‘WARD COUNCILLORS INVOLVEMENT IN SECTION 106 AGREEMENTS

 

Plymouth City Council believes its planning system must be seen to be acting in the interests of Plymouth, including agreed planning obligations.

 

Whilst recognising that each must comply with council planning documents, policies and guidance and Regulation 122 of the Community Infrastructure Levy Regulations 2010, Planning Obligations negotiated under Section 106 of the Town and Country Planning Act must be seen to mitigate the effects of development.

 

To this end, where the need for a planning obligation is anticipated by a planning officer, Ward Councillors shall be consulted at an early stage of the planning application process.  The views of Ward Councillors on planning obligations will be sought and shall be considered in any decision taken by Planning Committee or by an officer under delegated authority.

 

Planning Services shall be instructed to prepare a Protocol on Ward Councillor Involvement in Section 106 Agreements, establishing the detailed framework for consultation in the formal pre-application and planning application processes, this report to be considered by the Constitution Working Group.’

 

The amendment was seconded by Councillor Lock.

 

During the debate on the amendment, the issues raised included –

 

  • that councillors were now able to view the Council’s website to monitor the progress of section 106 monies in each ward;
  • that the Constitutional Working Group would make a recommendation to the City Council.

 

Following a vote, the amendment was agreed.

 

The motion, as amended, was put to the vote and the amended motion was agreed.   

 

 

108.

Assistance for those affected by Welfare Benefit and Tax Credit Reforms pdf icon PDF 56 KB

To consider a motion proposed by Councillor Williams and seconded by Councillor Rennie.

 

Minutes:

Councillor Williams moved the following motion on notice for approval -

 

‘ASSISTANCE FOR THOSE AFFECTED BY WELFARE BENEFIT AND TAX CREDIT REFORMS

 

This Council notes that a number of changes in welfare benefits and tax credit systems will be implemented over the next 12 months.

 

The Government intends to make the following savings through these changes:

CPI indexation (£5.8 bn)

Tax Credit changes (£4.51 bn)

Housing Benefit reform (£2.02 bn)

Child Benefit (£2.42 bn)

Contributory Employment Support Allowance (ESA) time-limit (£2bn)

Disability Living Allowance reform (£1.2 bn)

Council Tax Benefit (£0.49 bn)

Benefits cap (£0.27 bn)

End to ‘asset –based welfare’ (£0.6 bn)

Social Fund reforms

 

Inevitably there will be confusion and distress caused to people who have their benefits cut, whilst the cost of living continues to rise.

 

This Council resolves to –

Actively promote information about the changes in welfare benefits and tax credits and signpost those likely to be affected to appropriate organisations such as the CAB in order that they may provide advice and support.’

 

The motion was seconded by Councillor Rennie.

 

During the debate the following issues were raised –

 

  • the proposed cuts would affect all sectors of the population;
  • that the Council needed to be proactive;
  • the impact on disadvantaged groups together with changes to child benefit;
  • that Cabinet Members had started to undertake work on welfare reforms;
  • information on the changes would be promoted;
  • staff would signpost enquiries to the appropriate organisations;
  • that there was an opportunity to work with credit unions;
  • following budget scrutiny there was concern about the level of provision made and the capacity to deal with the issues;
  • that the voluntary sector could not cope with the potential level of enquiries in the forthcoming months;
  • thatcouncillors were unaware of the actions being taken. 

 

Following a vote, the motion was agreed.

 

(Councillors Berrow and Thompson declared personal interests in the above item.)

109.

Appointment of Chief Constable pdf icon PDF 41 KB

To consider a motion proposed by Councillor Evans and seconded by Councillor Williams.

 

Minutes:

Councillor Evans moved the following motion on notice for approval -

 

‘APPOINTMENT OF CHIEF CONSTABLE

 

Council notes the decision by the DC and IoS Police Authority to defer a decision on replacing Stephen Otter, the Chief Constable with a permanent replacement until after the forthcoming Police Commissioner elections.

 

Council also notes that, according to media reports, this decision is being reconsidered.

 

Council believes the best interests of policing in Plymouth and the force area are best served by a permanent appointment and requests our PA rep to lobby for the earliest possible permanent replacement.’

 

The motion was seconded by Councillor Williams.

 

During the debate, the following issues were raised –

 

  • that there would be a hiatus in policing between Chief Constable Stephen Otter leaving  Devon and Cornwall Police and the new Police Commissioner elections in November 2012;
  • that there were a number of senior police officers already acting up;
  • that crime was rising in Plymouth;
  • that the government were prepared to allow an appointment to be made but that the police authority had chosen not to do so;
  • the disagreement on the composition of the Crime Panel.   

 

Following a vote, the motion was lost.

 

(Councillors Mrs Beer, Mrs Pengelly and Stevens having declared interests, withdrew from the meeting during consideration of the above item).

110.

QUESTIONS BY COUNCILLORS

Questions to the Leader, Cabinet Members and Committee Chairs covering aspects for their areas of responsibility or concern by councillors in accordance with Part B, paragraph 12 of the Constitution.

Minutes:

In accordance with Part B, paragraph 12 of the constitution, the following questions were asked of the Leader, Cabinet Members and Committee Chairs covering aspects of their areas of responsibility -

 

 

From

To

Subject

1

CouncillorBerrow

Councillor Bowyer

 

at the last Audit Committee, there was a reduction on savings for the non ringfenced part of the budget from £4m to £1.2m.  What are the current savings being made and what effect will it have on other budgets for this £2.8m difference?

 

 

Councillor Bowyer undertook to supply the information.

 

2

Councillor Gordon

CouncillorMrs Pengelly

Reference comments made by Councillor Mrs Pengelly in Saturday’s Herald, does she think that the MVV contract for the city’s waste is value for money for the taxpayers of the city and how did she come to that conclusion?

 

 

CouncillorMrs Pengelly responded that she did think that it was value for money because it was cheaper than landfill, would protect jobs and would provide energy to the dockyard and navy which would help to ensure that the navy stayed in Plymouth.  Energy from waste plants existed in Sweden and the middle of Vienna. Current arrangements to landfill were not environmentally friendly and costed £7m per year. When the site was full, waste would be transported all over the country with more costs.

 

3

Councillor Smith

 

Councillor Jordan

when the Life Centre was commissioned, a commitment was made to keep the Pavilions until an alternative ice provision was funded.  What is the latest situation and can you confirm that you have not given the Pavilions notice to close the ice in September this year?

 

 

Cllr Jordan responded that a press release would be made tomorrow. He promised that the ice would be continued and that it was still the aim to do so until an ice rink was built.   He confirmed that notice had not been given to the Pavilions as stated.

 

4

Councillor Singh

Councillor Fry

is there going to be an investigation in into the scrutiny report which brought the city unnecessary attention and what sort of welcome would / could international students have received?   

 

 

Councillor Fry responded that he gathered that the report was withdrawn from meeting and was a city centre report.  It would be taken up within the company.

 

CouncillorMrs Pengelly added that she understood that shop traders mentioned it to the city centre company and she undertook to investigate it including where it came from and how it got into a report.

 

5.

Councillor Evans

Councillor Fry

is the response in order from the person whose name is on front of report and his responsibility, with the damage to Plymouth’s reputation as a visitor destination? A full investigation is needed.  

 

 

Councillor Nicholson (Chair of the Growth and Prosperity Overview and Scrutiny Panel) advised that the report went to his scrutiny panel and that he had been alerted to the press report by Councillor Fry. He had spoken with Councillor Coker and ensured that that aspect  ...  view the full minutes text for item 110.